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today we have here inside joining us

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inside the International Space Station

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flight control room we have NASA's

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project executive SpaceX for SpaceX at

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micro tkachuk Mike thank you for joining

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us and welcome thank you so mike is here

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actually to give us an update we've been

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talking about some of the removal and

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replacement of the failed GPS on board

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the International Space Station and he's

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here to give us an update on SpaceX

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launch and also on that GPS so first of

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all can you give us some vote actually

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just tell me a little about yourself and

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how you came about how he came here to

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NASA real quick before we get into the

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update okay I actually started out at

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NASA and Ames Research thinner and then

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I transferred here to JSC about the time

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that Space Station freedom was being

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really repositioned and renamed to Space

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Station alpha and been working in the

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space station office for over 10 years

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did a little time in the constellation

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program and test and verification and

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then I've working in the cots office as

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the project executive for SpaceX for at

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least five years now since chief has

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ended 2006 okay for a while now so um

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tell me real quick just what what is the

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update what is what is launched looking

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like right now I think launch is looking

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good for the 19th it's early morning on

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the 19th k time for 55 in the morning

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well 55 so 355 central time correct and

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so everything looks good for that now

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let's go ahead and talk about that GPS

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because I know that the attitude control

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system aboard the International Space

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Station there are two and it is

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necessary that both of them are working

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in order to do the round of you and

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docking with the and the dragon so if

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you can just tell me a little about that

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yeah we had a launch constraint that we

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want both systems up in operating for

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redundancy so before a lot we give the

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go to launch we wanted both systems up

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and running

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the the whole rendezvous process uses

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GPS as part of the sensor suite for the

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rendezvous and as you start getting

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closer to station you want to do what we

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call relative GPS so we're sending data

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from the space station on its position

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from those GPS sensors through

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communication system that SpaceX

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developed called the cuckoo it's a UHF

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communication system to the Dragon

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spacecraft and then it uses that data

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plus the GPS data on board the dragon to

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look at the relative position of the two

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vehicles so that the two vehicles don't

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get too close to to each other and we

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know exactly where they are okay great

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and anything new that's we'll just on

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target for launch everything went scared

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nothing new yeah i think we closed out a

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lot of work over the last couple of

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weeks there was a lot of software that's

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been rechecked and validated by the

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space station program they did a

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end-to-end test of the data system as

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well as another stage test checking all

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the software functionality as it relates

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to space station looked at a lot of the

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changes that have been done on the

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software and got comfortable that all

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those changes were acceptable the

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hardware has been in pretty good shape

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for the last few weeks we did a static

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fire about two weeks ago out at the cape

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and the first stage engines performed

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fine all that data looks good and the

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Dragon spacecraft has been closed out

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for flight for quite a while okay so I

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think things are looking good good to go

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and so real quick also tell me about

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what I know that at times when we have

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launched we have this whole you know the

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weather and that's what I think if

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something would have happened and

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whether does not cooperate with us is

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there a second chance opportunity to

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yeah there's another planned opportunity

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on the twenty-second it gets a little

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bit earlier in the morning due to the

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phasing trying to catch up the space

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station and then after that there's

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about four more opportunities before we

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get into a high beta period where it's

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just not going to be good to fly up to

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the space station for rendezvous okay

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and in others for other opportunities

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are they consecutive each day so on the

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22nd and then after that or are they set

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dates yeah they're set days they're

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staggered a little bit and it it depends

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on the orbital mechanics I think it's

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the 23rd 24th I'm not gonna hold you to

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it but it was didn't know if it was

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consecutive leave right after the 20

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seconds and then we'll need to work with

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the range the air force to make sure

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that those days are available and just

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kind of plan it out so now how involved

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has NASA been with the development in

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there and there's the pre flight test

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and that sort of thing with SpaceX

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somewhat i'm assuming pretty much

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involved as you are talking about but

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you know what was what was your

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experience yeah as part of the Space Act

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agreement we've been looking at

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milestone since the very beginning of

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the development program we started out

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with an initial kickoff meeting and then

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went into what we call a preliminary

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design review we had a number of NASA

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engineers looking at the preliminary

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concepts of the design just the high

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level and then we proceeded into

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critical design reviews as well as

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detailed reviews of various testing

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events that had gone on as they were

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building up they started testing the

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Draco engines on that on the Dragon

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spacecraft up in McGregor they

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incrementally did testing of the first

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stage they actually lit the entire first

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stage and ran a full mission duration at

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their test facility in McGregor we did a

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large system thermal vacuum test where

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the whole spacecraft was in a thermal

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back chamber checking out the extremes

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of temperature and making sure all the

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systems function during those extremes

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EMI testing we did what we call a dr our

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demo readiness review which looked at

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all the qual and acceptance reports and

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we did a top-level look at all those and

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made sure that they had met their

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criteria for launch vibration shock

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usual kind of things that we do on a

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spacecraft so we've been involved I

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deeply as involved as we

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done on some other projects but it it's

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been a good review you know they've gone

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through all the safety review process

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with the space station so it's been a

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very thorough lots of collaboration I

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would've worked between SpaceX and NASA

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as well now with SpaceX the it takes a

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lot to build a spacecraft it seems but

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so if you can just go through the just

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the why you know why are we looking to

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commercial industry to help us you know

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develop spacecraft well there's been a

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push I guess that ass has been doing

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flights to low-earth orbit for a long

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time now 40 50 years since Apollo and

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we've kind of got the technology down

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and it seemed like it was mature enough

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to pass on to us industry and the idea

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was that if we could get commercial

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industry to start doing it it would turn

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out to be cheaper in the long run and it

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would give more of the NASA budget the

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opportunity to be looking at building

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spacecraft where we can go deeper and

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further into space than we ever have

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before go on past the moon out to l2 out

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to you know asteroids and potentially in

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the long run get to Mars so it gives us

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an opportunity to use our budget more

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efficiently I think is the real benefit

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of going to come on over and so while

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we're not just after the the cheaper

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ride we also are looking seeking for

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reliability is that correct oh yeah we

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definitely want the systems to work and

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you know that's one thing that when

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you're cheaper you sometimes thinking

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that it's going to be less reliable I

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know for a fact that SpaceX is very

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focused on trying to make sure that

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their systems work they know that as a

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company they have to make their products

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successful or they're not going to get

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new business so they're very focused on

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making sure that their systems will work

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and that they have high reliability

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built in for the systems they may go

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about doing it a little bit different

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than we have in the past but it's always

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in the back of their mind that they have

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to make these vehicles work

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or they're not going to have a long-term

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viable company so in some cases it's

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even more important to them that it's

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all successful than than other companies

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on a typical bar base contract its own

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company's livelihood to make sure that

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it is reliable as well now so um do you

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know can you tell me the contents of

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SpaceX I mean what is first of all what

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is the cargo capacity and then what is

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it going to be taking up to the

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International Space Station okay well

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not on this flight the total car

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capacity is on the order of 3,000

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kilograms on this flight we're taking up

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about a little over 500 kilograms up and

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about 600 kilograms down in general its

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lower value cargo food crew supplies

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experiments that are going up in general

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it's that this is still a test flight we

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initially had three test flights in the

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development program undercuts the first

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successful flight launched out of Cape

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Canaveral got the Dragon spacecraft into

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orbit circle the earth two times proved

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that the basic thrusters and guidance

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control system would work pointed at

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tedious and then re-entered and proved

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at the heat shield and the whole reentry

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system worked well the parachutes

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deployed well and it was a very gentle

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increase the complexity admissions the

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second mission was supposed to do a

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flyby of station and check out some of

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the aborts and kind of maneuvers that

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might be necessary on a mission going to

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station as well as closing the

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communications link between the space

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station and the Dragon spacecraft and

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that was the the primary objective of

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rendezvous and berthing with the space

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station after a lot of review we've

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decided that we can let SpaceX make an

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attempt at doing both those objectives

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c2 plus mission it's the c2 basic

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mission and they're going to try and get

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some of those bonus objectives of the

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third demo so we're trying to give them

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the opportunity of meeting all those

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milestones and then if they do are

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successful they can move on to the

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operational phase where we'd be flying

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more valuable cargo up to the space

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station on a regular basis yeah you so

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you're touching base on something that I

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important mission but it is still a test

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space something doesn't work the way

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find what if there is a problem we'll

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long-term operations we're taking cargo

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on a regular basis up to the space

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station ideally we'll be moving on to

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next decade some of that the timing of

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dependent on congressional funding and

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how much money they they give the

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program to develop the Commercial Crew

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capabilities I'd like to see us

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astronauts from the u.s. up to the space

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going to be flying deeper and further

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on a ryan spacecraft and and going on

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contingency planning is there any kind

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of contingency if something were to go

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wrong doing this for this for this

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particular launch since it is a test

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flight yeah we've worked out all the

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contingency plans with all the various

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agencies since it is a commercial flight

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to investigate a launch failure

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happens there may be some support from

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the range the Air Force as it gets close

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to station there'll be some it would be

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primarily the space station and NASA's

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role to investigate any mishaps so we've

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of the mission and who's got primary

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responsibility I think in all cases our

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office would be closely coupled with

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well thank you again for coming it's all

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very very fascinating best of what I

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know you're taking off you're leaving us

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tomorrow correct to head to the Kennedy

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Space Center where they launch will be

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taking place yeah we have a Flight

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readiness for you in the morning

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tomorrow and then I leave for the cape

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and then we'll have a launch readiness

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review on Thursday leading up to the

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launch on Saturday great and again that

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a SpaceX Dragon launch is set to take

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place at three fifty five a.m. central

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time that is on May nineteen that is a

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Saturday and we will have live coverage

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here for you on NASA television

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beginning at two thirty a.m. central